Planets

The planets are spherical bodies which revolve above the Earth. The planets follow a similar daily route across the sky as the Sun. Five planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are visible to the naked eye and were known to the ancients as "wandering stars;" entities which appear to move differently from the fixed path of the stars. The word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

On the topic of the history of the planets and the invention and acceptance of the heliocentric system, by the time of Copernicus and Galileo it was already widely believed that the Earth was a globe, largely based on Ancient Greek knowledge. The debate was whether the Sun was a central point of rotation for the Solar System, and if so, whether the Earth was in motion and moving in it. There is some agreement in the Flat Earth movement that they had gotten some things right, such as the Sun being a central body for the planets, since that is the most natural inclination when one sees Mercury and Venus following the Sun in the sky and moving to either side of it. In this sense, it may be accepted that the Solar System is Heliocentric or semi-Heliocentric under the Flat Earth model. However, from viewing the motions of the planets above us, it does not necessarily follow that the Earth is a planet in the Solar System. The Earth is a fundamentally different kind of body; a plane rather than a planet, much like how a basketball court is a fundamentally different kind of body to the basketballs which bounce on top of it. The Solar System sits in a layer above the plane of the Earth.

Dance of the Planets
The Sun moves in Northward and Southwards paths across the sky over the course of the year when changing seasons and the planets follow along that path, with an apparent relationship to the Sun. Mercury and Venus appear to be rotating around the Sun, while the other planets have a less direct effect. The below animation shows the Sun's progress across the sky over the course of a year as a panorama, its Northward and Southward motions, and the 'dance of the planets' as they follow the sun. The daily paths across the sky are subtracted, showing yearly movement.



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The Copernican Revolution of the 16th century held that this relationship with the Sun was evidence that all of the planets of the Solar System moved around the Sun. At the time the idea of a Round Earth was already widely prevalent, based on the teachings of the Ancient Greeks. It was deduced that since the Earth is a round body in a Sun-centered celestial system, that the earth must also be a body in motion similar to the planets seen in the sky.

Flat Earth System
Under a Flat Earth model with a mobile Sun, the retrograde loops may be explained by the planets revolving around the Sun, while the Sun and planets simultaneously move around the hub of the earth. The planets are moving very slowly around the Sun and the hub, in circles or ellipses of various sizes in particular to the planet, as the Sun moves around the center. Over time this disagreement in movement can create retrograde loops seen in the sky.



The speed of the planet around the circle and its size may define the rate of retrograde. Some advocate for a "neo-tychonian" system similar in concept to Tycho Brahe's semi-heliocentric planet model which featured a mobile sun which rotates around the earth once a day while the planets revolve around the Sun with various orbital circumferences. With a Flat Earth interpretation Mercury and Venus would rotate around the Sun near to it while the superior planets rotate around the Sun on larger circles encompassing the northern pole on paths similar to the Sun's main path, and which sit between the tropics.

Superior Planets
In the Flat Earth model the stars are in motion above the earth, at a rate of one rotation every 23 hours 56 minutes. If a planet is not matching this rate of rotation it may appear to either lag behind or move faster than the stars. One contribution to astronomy was by the German astronomer Johannes Kepler, who found that the rate of a planet's speed changes over the course of its orbit. When a planet is close to the Sun it is moving faster, and when a planet is far from the sun it is moving slower.



Kepler suggested magnetism as a basis for this attraction, while Newton suggested a phenomenon called gravity. Immaterial of mechanism, however, this concept suggests that planets slow down or speed up depending on their proximity the Sun. Notice how in the Dance of the Planets animation above that Saturn and Jupiter progress and move faster than the stars when the Sun is approaching their vicinity, and that they regress and move slower than the stars when the Sun is far away from them. This pattern of movement is similar to Kepler's depiction of elliptical orbits, provides an explanation for the retrograde, and suggests that the planets are connected to the Sun.

Related

 * Video: Flat Earth Planets - Mercury Retrograde (Runtime 7m20s) — User 'Alternative Cosmology' makes several observations on the topic of Mercury's Retrograde under the context of a Flat Earth model.

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Ptolemaic System
Prior to the heliocentric system of Copernicus the prevailing astronomical model featured an earth-centered system, with main attribution to mathematician and astronomer Claudius Ptolemy. The Earth was round and at the center of this system while the planets moved around it on epicycles - a small circle whose center moves around the circumference of a larger one. However, this was considered to be a mathematical construct rather than a geometric one, the epicycles being a mathematical method to predict patterns of movement. Its authors felt that prediction was more important than a geometric depiction of the system. In Beyond Reason: Essays on the Philosophy of Paul Feyerabend its author, philosopher of science Paul Feyerabend (bio), describes Ptolemy's construct:

Copernican System
The Copernican System, introduced in 1543, attempted to move the Ptolemaic System forward by proposing a Sun-centered geometric solar system. The main pieces of evidence for this model were the motions of Mercury and Venus being more physically pleasing with a Sun as center point, the retrograde motion of Mars as the result of a Sun-centered system, and the fact that Jupiter had moons (Galileo) -- a piece of evidence that the Earth was not necessarily the center of everything as Ptolmy suggested. However, to explain the retrogrades as a Sun-centered system, this model still introduced complexities elsewhere. The complex and physically unpleasing mathematical constructs of epicycles were still in the Copernican system, rearranged in a way so that the Sun was at the center. Despite the complexity necessary for prediction, it was argued that the concept of a Sun-centered system was more philosophically pleasing.

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Comparison
The necessity of epicycles in Copernicus' system is typically not depicted or mentioned in the school system. A comparison between Ptolemy's geocentric model of the universe (first) and Copernicus's heliocentric model (second) may be found below:

Ptolmy's Geocentric Model of the Universe



Copernicus' Heliocentric Model



Hence one sees what is meant by the two models said to have equal complexity. Not depicted are the 'epicycles upon epicycles' and other devices necessary for the systems.

Copernicus and Epicyles
Some assert that Copernicus ended up with even more epicycles than Ptolmy. From p.42 of a geocentric work Galileo Was Wrong its authors provide the following:

Footnotes:


 * 86 Copernicus writes in the Commentariolus: “Behold! Only 34 circles are required to explain the entire structure of the universe and the dance of the planets!” (Gingerich, The Book that Nobody Read, p. 56). But Koestler remarks: “incidentally, as Zinner has pointed out, even the famous count at the end of the Commentariolus is wrong as Copernicus forgot to account for the precession, the motions of the aphelia and the lunar nodes. Taking these into account, the Commentariolus uses thirty-eight not thirty- four circles," adding that Copernicus makes no mention of the total number of epicycles in De revolutionibus: “Apart from the erroneous reference to 34 epicycles, I have nowhere seen a count made of the number of circles in De revolutionibus” (The Sleepwalkers, p. 580), perhaps hiding the fact from his reader that it contained more epicycles than the De revolutionibus. Gingerich adds: “Copernicus must have realized that with his small epicyclets he actually had more circles than the Ptolemaic computational scheme used in the Alfonsine Tables or for the Stoeff‌ler ephemerides" (op. cit., p. 58). Regarding the discrepancies among the orbits of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in 1504, Gingerich writes: “...the evidence is f‌irm that he had observed the cosmic dance at this time [1504] and was fully aware of the discrepancies in the tables. But what is most astonishing is that Copernicus never mentioned his observation, and his own tables made no improvement in tracking these conjunctions“ (ibid., p. 59).


 * 87 The Sleepwalkers, p. 194-195. One reason Copernicus had so many epicycles is, rather than placing the sun in the center of the universe, he placed the Earth’s entire orbit in the center (although, according to Gingerich: “this was an unresolved mystery in the book, for Copernicus hedged on the issue,” The Book that Nobody Read, p. 163). Koestler remarks that discrepancies in the biographical literature on the number of epicycles in Copernicus’ system is due to the fact that most historians have not read Copernicus’ book but have depended on other biographers for their information. Koestler’s notes show that he did a painstaking analysis of De revolutionibus that allows him to conclude Copernicus used forty-eight epicycles (pp. 579-580). Gingerieh accounts for these extra epicycles as follows: “While he [Copernicus] had eliminated all of Ptolemy’s major epicycles, merging them all into the Earth's orbit, he then introduced a series of little epicyclets to replace the equant, one per planet” (The Book that Nobody Read, pp. 54-55). For mistaken scholarly accounts that settled on Copernicus having only 34 epicycles, Koestler cites the Chamber's Encyclopedia as stating the Copernican system reduced the epicycles “from eighty to thirty-four,” as is the case with Herbert Dingle’s address to the Royal Astronomical Society in 1943. In my research I found the same discrepancies. Ivars Peterson writes: “Copernicus needed more circles in his sun—centered model than Ptolemy did in his Earth-centered scheme [a] total of 34 circles for all the planets and the moon" (Newton's Clock: Chaos in the Solar System, New York: William H. Freeman and Co. 1993, p. 54). Some add even more epicycles to Copernicus, as is the case with James Burke: “To account for the apparent alterations in speed and movement of the planets, Copernicus was obliged to use as many as ninety Ptolemaic epicycles” (The Day the Universe Changed, p. 134).


 * 88 Joshua Gilder and Anne-Lee Gilder, Heavenly Intrigue: Johannes Kepler, Tycho Brahe, and the Murder Behind One of History's Greatest Scientific Discoveries, New York: Doubleday, 2004, p. 38.


 * 89 Owen Gingerich adds that the myth of having to put up with an inordinate amount of Ptolemaic epicycles perpetuated itself like an out-of-control gossip chain. He writes: “The legend reached its apotheosis when the 1969 Encyclopedia Britannica announced that, by the time of King Alfonso, each planet required 40 to 60 epicycles! The article concluded, ‘After surviving more than a millennium, the Ptolemaic system failed; its geometrical clockwork had become unbelievably cumbersome and without satisfactory improvements in its effectiveness.‘ When I challenged them, the Britannica editors replied lamely that the author of the article was no longer living, and they hadn’t the faintest idea if or where any evidence for the epicycles on epicycles could be found” (The Book that Nobody Read, pp. 56-57).

From Astronomy and History Selected Essays (Archive) by mathematician and historian of science Otto E. Neugebauer (bio) we read:

Reception and Response
Bang to Eternity and Betwixt: Cosmos By John Hussey (bio)

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Tychonic System
Put forward by Danish astronomer Tycho Brache in 1583, the Tychonic System of the solar system depicts a stationary round Earth with a Sun and Moon which revolve around it. Adopting benefits of the Copernican model, the planets revolve around the Sun, as the Sun revolves around the stationary Earth. With the Sun as center of planetary revolutions, the Tychonic model is said to have provided equivalent geometric explanations of the retrogrades for the stationary earth concept, and is known as a 'geoheliocentric' model.



Related: https://www.tychos.info - "The TYCHOS - Our Geoaxial Binary Solar System"

Johannes Kepler
Johannes Kepler, an assistant and later successor to Tycho Brache, was a heliocentrist who made contributions to the Solar System by making small improvements to Ptolmy's geocentric model of the orbits and epicycles and then applying those improvement to Copernicus' model of the orbits and epicycles, showing with more clarity that the planets move with a common relationship to the Sun.

The University of Texas depicts Kepler's contributions as follows:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/Books/Syntaxis/Almagest/node5.html

The above tells that by making slight corrections to the models of Ptolmy and Copernicus, Kepler found indirect evidence in the 'epicycles of the superior planets' and in the 'deferents of the inferior planets' supporting the idea that the planets moved with a common relationship to the Sun, in the form of common eccentricities of their orbits.

Elliptical Movement
Kepler also proposed that the orbits of the planets were elliptical rather than circular, which helped to reduce some epicycles. On the topic of Kepler's ellipses, Galileo Was Wrong says:

Approximations
On p.129 of Gravitation Vs. Relativity its author Charles Lane Poor, Professor of Celestial Mechanics at Columbia University, tells us that Kepler's Laws provide only approximations for the places of the planets:

Modern Heliocentrism
Prediction in modern heliocentrism is still performed through patterns. By analysis of historic tables it is possible to construct functions which can predict where a planet will be in the future. This is how prediction in astronomy has been performed since times of antiquity, and how it is performed today. Indeed, modern astronomers still use epicycles—now called perturbations—to predict the location of planets.

See: Astronomical Prediction Based on Patterns

Planet Topics
Round Earth Topics


 * Discovery of Neptune - A claim that Neptune was discovered through mathematics alone
 * Precession of Mercury's Orbit - Einstein's use of Mercury as evidence of Relativity

Flat Earth Topics


 * Kings Dethroned - A text questioning astronomical triangulation methods
 * Astronomical Prediction Based on Patterns - Epicycles are still used for astronomical prediction
 * Three Body Problem - The heliocentric Sun-Earth-Moon system cannot be simulated